Also, the concern over the same questions is kind of funny in that it's exactly what pressers always are anyway.
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‘Joker’ Premiere Disinvites Interview Press From Hollywood Red Carpet
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Before our director alienates more of our potential customer base, we are nipping that shit in the bud.
Sorry, I haven't been keeping up: Could someone someone explain to my the whole incel connection with this movie?
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They're absolutely wagging the dog. They want to get the incels all lathered up with anger before they've even seen the movie. Then, when one of the more impressionable of them snaps, they can be like "LOOK! SEE? WE TOLD YOU!!1"
Must be worried about Todd Phillips pulling his head out of his ass long enough to show it to everyone some more.
I feel like there's a middle ground between this and constantly asking how this film may incite a shooting. Sorta like criticizing call of duty depictions of guns and violence without constantly talking about it potentially inciting future shootings.
There's point where concerns delves into giving people's ideas and frankly all this media talking about how this film is going to incite a shooting is more likely to incite a shooting than the movie itself.
Remember the short where he inherited a million dollars but could only keep it if he didn't kill a mouse, and Jerry started abusing that stipulation and he just threw the money away to fuck him up?
Worth it.
Note a lot of times that Jerry is the initial aggressor, or keeps pushing Tom's buttons, or keeps instigating shit between Tom and Butch/Mammy/Spike etc.
Warner Bros. was clever and set up a rule that Bugs should never be the aggressor, and when he was, like in Cecil Turtle cartoons, he'd lose. This keeps Bugs empathetic. Dude just wants to get to his vacation spot or eat some carrots and people keep fucking with him.
They're expecting incels to relate to the Joker character (down-on-his-luck, mentally ill white man is rejected by society & snaps)
I think there needs to be a middle ground but this feels like it's a ways off from happening or it may not ever happen.
Pre-emptively blaming any potential violence on media members asking questions about the extremely obvious parallels to the real world is a weird take for sure.
It's not like there's been actually warnings by the FBI. OH WAIT THERE FUCKING HAS.
Also I find it weird that we simultaneously argue that media has no effect on people and thus Joker won't result in anything, but people asking questions on social media is stirring the pot and an attempt to will into existence a mass shooting.
These views don't square too well.
These views don't square too well.
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People will say whatever they feel like they need to in order to defend the comic book movie fort.
Oh fuck right off. Instead of competently answering questions about your film's core thesis, the director decides to whine "WHAT ABOUT JOHN WICK?!" and then kicks out anyone who might pose a challenging opinion.
Except they've already been hit with those questions. What you're saying doesn't make sense.
Almost noones seen the film yet that's the problem. So the film can't really incite anything yet. This media circus as it is now sure can though.
Inciting a shooting to own the incels
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I think the press have been ridiculous towards this movie and in a vacuum it would be quite deserved. But that's a stupid move that's only going to make the furore even worse.
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I'm sorry but are there people in this thread literally stating that the media and people concerned about the content of the film are trying to incite violence just to slander this film?
What a ridiculous fucking idea. I've seen a lot of people blindly defending the film because they think entertainment is more important than real world issues but to skew the narrative that much makes me think that some of the people defending this film are doing it "just to own the libs"
What a ridiculous fucking idea. I've seen a lot of people blindly defending the film because they think entertainment is more important than real world issues but to skew the narrative that much makes me think that some of the people defending this film are doing it "just to own the libs"
The aggressive demonization of reviewers and press is 1 for 1 to what we see directed at gaming press from a lot of gamers
Joker is truly the first Gamer Movie.
This might be among the stupidest fucking takes I have read all week.
To the people who are saying "wait until you've seen the movie," most of the press has seen the movie already and is still legitimately concerned.
I've seen the movie. I'm legitimately concerned.
I don't think the movie should be banned or anything, but I 100% understand why people are concerned that this movie could incite violence in mentally ill people.
Dodging questions about this seems to me, above all else, a latent admission that the filmmakers know that they have a problematic film on their hands.
I've seen the movie. I'm legitimately concerned.
I don't think the movie should be banned or anything, but I 100% understand why people are concerned that this movie could incite violence in mentally ill people.
Dodging questions about this seems to me, above all else, a latent admission that the filmmakers know that they have a problematic film on their hands.
The circus around this film has been utterly moronic in every sense of the word. I'm inclined to believe that all of the press about an incident occurring due to the film will actually be the thing that inspires said incident.
So movies can't create shootings but criticizing a movie can. Got it.
So saying a movie is about an incel type makes incels snap and shoot people?
Err did you even read what I wrote? I was saying both can do that.
Bethesda not sending review copies style, no white House press briefing style behavior.
Criticizing a movie is wrong because it can lead to shootings?
Why this movie in particular? There's no other movie out there with a similar premise?
I can see why people are thinking the media is inviting this to happen.
My point is to point out various hypocrisies in the pro-Joker camp.
We can't judge the film negatively because it hasn't been released (even though reviews, impressions, and the script leaked,) but we can totally dismiss every single reporter who may have shown up as being shit-stirrers trying to impart an agenda in the film that could potentially stoke a mass shooting, even though no reporter got a chance to ask any questions whatsoever.
You aren't paying attention, then. The Hunt was similarly incendiary in this political climate and got yanked from release because of fears that it might incite violence.
How on EARTH can "The Press will put ideas in ppls heads and make a shooing happen/willing-it-to-be" be reconciled with the claim the movie it's self could never do the same it's self, bringing us right back to the beginning of needing to discuss the interplay of society and media in the first place.
equating reserving judgement of an artists work before experiencing it with expecting the hollywood press, possibly the closest thing we have to anti-art imaginable, to ask redundant questions, their entire job, is certainly a hot take