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‘I can no longer call myself a Republican,’ Colin Powell says after Capitol riot
- Thread starter Dalek
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Setting aside the fact that "proving once again that _____ lives do not matter" has been used when critiquing the consequences of endless middle eastern conflicts for decades and I don't think it's co-opting BLM, your post did not indicate your issue with the tweet.
For context, I'm a black person. I'm also a leftist. It is perfectly normal for leftists to use the expression used in that tweet and I think it's just a matter of perspective.
What had happened was, America was hit by the Middle East during 9/11, as they saw it, and responded with 500x the violence in retaliation, any attempt to justify it through military intelligence was poppycock, it always was.
I hold, and always will hold a ton of respect for Colin Powell.
His voice may not mean much at places like this (or far-right haunts for that matter), but his voice still has weight in influential military and political circles. I'm happy to see him denouncing this Republican party.
His voice may not mean much at places like this (or far-right haunts for that matter), but his voice still has weight in influential military and political circles. I'm happy to see him denouncing this Republican party.
Respect? lol
You going to say you respect a war criminal ass nigga lol
"now sure he killed a lot of people but you got to respect the man"
He laying it on thick so I'm pretty sure it /s, at least I hope so.
My thing is former Republicans that say we've gone too far but I was fine with us until we crossed that line aren't actually repentant anyway.
Reaganism was evil too for example
Reaganism was evil too for example
Yeah, in broad strokes, I don't disagree. A separate argument could be had in a parallel world where Saddam actually had WMDs and was targeting the US, its allies, or innocents. But he didn't.
It really was a monumental intelligence failure. US analysts couldn't even understand why Saddam bluffed about having WMDs until well after the fact. It turns out that he bluffed because he wanted to dissuade Iranian aggression and valued that over the risk the US might attack him.
Truly the most important thing here. He couldn't possibly have anything worthwhile to say, he's in the Labor party. Thanks for pointing that out, I almost wasted some time reading 280 characters and making up my own mind.
uh... I'm pretty sure members of BLM would enthusiastically express solidarity for the Iraqi people.
This is why a return to "normalcy" isn't good enough for me. It's still crossing the line, just not indignantly as it was done during the Trumpian era.
They didn't say "Iraqi Lives Matter" in a way to co opt off of Black Lives Matter. It was a way to express that careers and American hegomeny were more important than Iraqi lives. Also your response was Rose Twitter which had nothing to do with another group trying to co opt Black Lives Matter. If that's what you felt you should of said that instead of what you posted.
Took the words right out of my mouth brother. Also what the fuck was a "self respecting" black man doing as part of the Rethuglican party anyway?
Bye Colin!
You were fine with it when the Trump administration was kidnapping kids and adopting them out to evangelicals though, right?
Sit the fuck down.
Sit the fuck down.
You have your opinion and I have mine nigga.
You're not about to shame me into disrespecting this black man so no need to waste your time.
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I dont need to shame a nigga who going to say they respect a coon ass war criminal. Nigga you shame fucking yourself
So when the face of your party was calling Mexicans rapists and calling white supremacists "good people" it was all good?
I never said anybody had to do anything.
Just voicing my opinion of the man like everyone else.
And your opinion fucking sucks. Don't be hiding behind this my opinion shit when you saying you respect powell
Ok?
Are you playing a character or are you seriously bothered that someone on the internet has respect for Colin Powell?
Like I really can't tell. You're fucking with me, yeah?
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Fucking with you? You think I'm fucking with you because you came in here saying that you respected a fucking coon ass war criminal. Do you live in Fantasyland?
So riddle me this why
do you respect a known war criminal?
I don't know man, your responses just seem...a bit over the top for someone saying they respect Colin fucking Powell?
But you win, you got me. I tap out. We can continue over DM but I don't want to derail further.
Colin Powell is responsiblefor the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people. And yet you think that's over the top to question why you respect Colin Powell? Sit down bro and log out and think about who you going to respect
If his voice still has weight in military and political circles, those circles have issues.
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I think a certain group deserves reparations far before iraqi's. Even though they are owed, too.
is it? he hasn't voted Republican in the last several elections.
yea this.
Same with Arnold tho. But Arnold hasn't left the party.
That post said specifically seize the assets of the war criminals and redistribute to the Iraqis they harmed.
Yeah I don't disagree. Still, if he can help sway even a small percentage of the military vote, I'm glad he said something.
Murkowski might leave the party. But she's already made sure to say she wouldn't be or caucus with Democrats.
So, you know, still Republican but doesn't want the label.
I mean, this is like one of the most benevolent co-opting of a movement's slogan.
Like, taking someone to task for that is just 'Bitch eating crackers' syndrome.
Yeah this is some real revisionist history.
America was out for blood across both party lines after 9/11. The majority of Americans would have been ok with invading any muslim country and that included Iraq.
Colin is more guilty than the regular American citizen but there was real pushback and it was ugly if you were against the war or anything the military/government did back then. I clearly remember people who were in the progressive camp then and still are now giving me the traitor side eye look for saying what a crock of shit the whole idea behind the Iraq war was. If you were paying attention it was clearly rushed and it felt stinky at the time but its my opinion most Americans did not really give any value to Iraqi and maybe just muslim lives at the time. I hope that has changed but I probably don't want to know the answer to that question.
I think people should definitely shit on W and Colin for their involvement and they should be tried as war criminals but don't let the American people off the hook either.
A good portion of persuadable military voters, who are actually more balanced than you might think (allotting for differences in branch, officer vs. enlisted, and job series)... probably don't even know who Colin Powell is.
Remember that there are kids serving in the military now who were born AFTER 9/11.
If Powell truly wanted to make a difference, he could've spoken out forcefully and consistently back when he was more relevant.
Powell's statement isn't meant to persuade. It's entirely self-serving. It's aimed at his own cohort -- same age, same background, same DC think tank parties, same retired general/flag officer dinners.
Thinking that someone who knowingly lied in front of the UN in order to justify an oil crusade should fuck off into the sun forever qualifies as being an irrational rose twitter user apparently
Are you really going to do this nigga. Like I really going to do who gets reparations first game?
Nigga because like you do know native American exist right? and they got fucked over long before we got here. We literally the richest country to have ever exist and to have any fucking games about who get reparations first is fucking ludicrous.
Excuse me? I recall I asked you to not call me "nigga". Are you serious? I don't know you. And you know what? Yes. Native Americans first. How's that? You win. Don't call me "nigga" again.
I'd be genuinely surprised if the vast majority of younger military voters didn't know Colin Powell. Either way, the people many of these younger recruits look up to almost certainly do know him. And some number of those people have misgivings about the GOP. So if your voice can help change a few minds, you use it imo.
Now maybe that's a charitable read but I think it's reasonable.
I agree that he should have been much more forceful, much earlier.