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‘Daredevil’ Actress Says Thinks Netflix Was Responsible for Cancellation, Not Marvel
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Netflix sees Disney as a competitor now thanks to Disney+, sucks as a consumer who plans to subscribe to both.
I thought this was pretty well known. These shows likely weren't cheap to produce, and based on whatever metrics Netflix had, they likely determined the cost wasn't worth it for a property they didn't outright own. Makes sense to me.
She works for Marvel.
And we have plenty of information besides this that leads to this being a legitimate surprise to the cast and crew.
Then why does she have contacts if she works there?
Why is she also saying "she thinks"
You either know or you don't know
Yeah they were basically investing their own money in another company's product. Made more sense during Netflix's transition into producing their own content.
Wait, why do people believe it's on Marvel. I thought it made sense for Netflix to can Daredevil
Marvel has the money and the rights to keep these shows going if they so choose, so I don't see how you can completely blame Netflix for their death. Marvel are the ones ultimately responsible. They could have kept making Daredevil and put it on Hulu or Disney+ if they wanted.
Isn't it both their faults? Marvel forcing them to have high episode counts, not letting them do shorter seasons, etc. Netflix of course would choose to cancel it if it wasn't worth it anymore.
Is it possible it's not as cut and dry as people want it to be? These are two huge companies I bet they could have come to an agreement to keep the show going but probably couldn't find a mutually beneficial agreement.
Arguing over whose fault it was, for the sole purpose of making one company you like look a little better than another company, seems childish. What does it matter? The end result is the same.
Arguing over whose fault it was, for the sole purpose of making one company you like look a little better than another company, seems childish. What does it matter? The end result is the same.
To be fair, 4 months ago Netflix canceling anything would have been a legitimate surprise.
Marvel isn't going to go on record about it, so this is about as close as we're going to get.
Must not follow sports at all, everything is off the record and yet a ton of stuff that's reported by legitimate reporters(like Woj) is true because people want it leaked out for whatever reason. Granted, this is an actress who doesn't need to make a living off of reporting things, but on the other hand if she just flat out lies she risks alienating not one but two of the biggest employers around.
Must not follow sports at all, everything is off the record and yet a ton of stuff that's reported by legitimate reporters(like Woj) is true because people want it leaked out for whatever reason. Granted, this is an actress who doesn't need to make a living off of reporting things, but on the other hand if she just flat out lies she risks alienating not one but two of the biggest employers around.
Is this supposed to be a surprise? I'd always assumed the cancellation was down to Netflix as they didn't want to carry on making series for Disney to just swoop in and take them off their hands.
I read somewhere that per the deal Disney can't put these shows anywhere else until 2 years after their cancellation.
Netflix was paying something like a 60% markup on what were already expensive shows.
I'd bet at the end of the day there was no way to restructure this deal from either side to continue to work.
But yeah, Netflix pulled the trigger. That is known.
Yep, read the same. So those shows/characters in their current state are pretty much dead. Nobody's waiting around for 2 years to work.
Isn't this pretty clear? Netflix is cutting anything not directly produced by them like American Vandal.
It actually states in the article that Netflix and Marvel have a contract that prevents Marvel from doing anything with the characters in Live Action till the contract is up in "18mo - 2years".
So Disney can't just continue the show without first buying out the contracts, but who knows if that's possible or if Netflix would allow that at a reasonable cost.
Disney+/Hulu will have to hope the actors aren't already in new contracts for other shows if they wish to revive the characters with the same actors in 1.5-2yrs time.
can anyone blame them? i highly doubt disney is making licensing their property very affordable
the deal was a product of its time. disney was building a brand around marvel (did they have star wars by then? or at least force awakens out?) and expanding it, netflix was looking for more original content and big IPs.
cut to today, netflix is greenlighting pretty much anyone with a camera and making it themselves, have successfully built their own brands. and disney is gonna want to build reasons to join their upcoming streaming platform to compete with netflixby leveraging their own original content and building more.
its like they had a really loving relationship and now broke up and its nobody's fault "we just want different things"
the deal was a product of its time. disney was building a brand around marvel (did they have star wars by then? or at least force awakens out?) and expanding it, netflix was looking for more original content and big IPs.
cut to today, netflix is greenlighting pretty much anyone with a camera and making it themselves, have successfully built their own brands. and disney is gonna want to build reasons to join their upcoming streaming platform to compete with netflixby leveraging their own original content and building more.
its like they had a really loving relationship and now broke up and its nobody's fault "we just want different things"
Dunno but they're doing an Umbrella academy show which is based on a Dark Horse comic so maybe that's who they got rights with?
Not sure if Saga has been picked up by anyone, though that would be tough as hell to pull off as a show/movie.
Marvel has the money and the ability to get the characters back if they want them, but what's the point of that?
Interest in these characters has already peaked. All the shows are 2-3 seasons deep and aren't likely to be getting a lot of new viewers. The reason Marvel doesn't want them is the same reason Netflix doesn't want them.
Pretty much, writing was on the wall when Disney announced streaming plans.
I thought this was already known?
I don't know how much control Disney even has over the Netflix shows, if any.
I don't know how much control Disney even has over the Netflix shows, if any.
I think it is very logical of Netflix to do this. Why keep pushing a Marvel Series when Disney can pull the licence probably every year and have a hyped Daredevil audience to promote the "all new Daredevil" on Disney+.
They will probably build more and more own IPs, because they can't rely on the big players who will all build their own streaming services down the road.
They will probably build more and more own IPs, because they can't rely on the big players who will all build their own streaming services down the road.
I mean they had Iron Fist > Defenders > JJ S2 > Cage S2 > Iron Fist S2 ... All missed the mark. That's such a consistent blunder that anyone would have cancelled them all.
She sent a text to someone she knows at Marvel who would likely know about this and they stated that they were also surprised by this move. She doesn't have a direct contact to anyone like this at Netflix so she's making an educated guess at what happened.
What about this is confusing?
And this checks out since it seems like they only want to keep shows that we're developed in house for the most part. This and American Vandal cancellations make more sense if you look at it like this.
There is this...
https://boundingintocomics.com/2018...eal-first-look-at-new-netflix-series-prodigy/
but then I also just saw this
https://www.theverge.com/2018/3/8/1...verse-comics-akiva-goldsman-movies-adapations
So Netflix is dumping Marvel (for obvious competitive reasons) and trying to fill that hole with content from Dark Horse, Image and "Extreme Universe" comics.
at least they recognize my need to feed my superhero/comic book fix. Hopefully all of these are quality projects.
Umbrella Academy definitely had my attention, even though I'm not familiar with the source material.
anecdotally speaking, i stopped watching the Netflix Marvel shows after Season 1 of DD, JJ and Luke Cage. I just couldn't keep up with them anymore and the novelty wore off.
I do wonder if Netflix saw a huge drop with each new season / show released. Like, i can imagine if they saw The Defenders season 1 doing worse than some of the individual shows, that whole 'connected universe' thing wouldn't really pay off and instead of synergies from each invdividual show, each of the shows just added costs to Netflix and was kind of a deterrent to prospective viewers. I can imagine there's people scared off by the thought of a universe that has had like 11 seasons worth of series in just 3 years or so ...
It's kinda the reason i myself stopped watching. Luke Cage having a terrible finale and Iron Fist being garbage kinda spoiled the entire broth.