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‘Be kind to everyone’: Ellen DeGeneres defends hanging out with George Bush
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I don't really see what's wrong with either of these things. He has empathy for the relatives of a tragedy forgiving those who wronged him and his family as part of his grieving process, and he was in a bad action movie and somehow that makes him a problematic shithead?
The dude is a ridiculously outspoken liberal (just look at his twitter profile it's mostly retweets of anti-trump stories and messages to vote blue), and fights against right wingers who try to use the image of Captain America in their messaging. I don't really see how you can ask for someone in his position to do more, but if we want to push away strong public figure allies I guess doing this level of litmus testing is a great way to start.
I'm tired of white people telling me to be friendly to people who would never even imagine returning the favor. He's a fucking war criminal that should be in jail.
Chris Evans doesn't have the right to call this beautiful any more so than men should have a say on legislating a woman's body. It's fucking gross. And no I wouldn't necesarily consider Liberals like him an ally when it comes to race. Any race conscientious White person would have taken a backseat on praising the act or at least acknowledge the myriad of racial problems along with their praise.
Black Americans are in pain and divided on a lot of things that went down after the verdict, White media and people will continue to ignore our pain and celebrate undeserved forgiveness. She will be out in 5 years and the media will have Hug Part 2 TV Specials all over the place.
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A lot of liberals are racially "colorblind" and when they say "I don't see race" they often are sincere, as bullshit as the phrase sounds. And this is a problem (even if superficially it sounds utopian) because it creates gaps in understanding when racial context is overlooked--for example, most white liberals aren't going to see that hug and consider the racial complexities, and only see one human forgiving another human.
That doesn't make them bad people or bad allies though.
Making a poor statement without the proper cultural context doesn't make them a shithead forever or invalidate his positive influence. I would agree he is not a strong positive advocate for racial problems in America, but I also don't think he's trying to make that the primary focus of the political messaging he drives. Still I don't think jumping on someone whose heart is clearly in the right place is the right way to push for support.
I completely agree with her. You can still be friendly to someone who doesn't agree with every single political belief as you. People are different and value different things. I am friends with plenty of people that don't think exactly as me. In fact I think it's healthy to be friends with differing options on many aspects of life.
You can still be friends with a mass murderer? A person who tried to deny your rights? Like this isnt a simple difference of opinions.
To answer your question in the form of Ellen's situation. If GB was sitting next to me at a football game, yes, I would be friendly to him.
If you have fuck you money and social cachet like Ellen, you can sit wherever the hell you want
Are you friends with anyone responsible for the death of hundreds of thousands of people?
It's not jumping on someone to point out that, maybe, if you don't have proper cultural context, maybe sit this one out. By the time Chris made that statement on Twitter, the black outrage over the situation was unavoidable (ESPECIALLY on Twitter). Chris was definitely speaking from a place of unearned authority. And this goes back to the central problem of people, even allies, not giving black culture and black grievance the proper care and respect it deserves.
We didn't need Chris Evans to say anything, and clearly, he wasn't equipped. Same goes for Ellen. This is the second time this year she's stepped on it by speaking on things she should have just stfu about. Be quiet and ignorant. Don't be loud and ignorant.
If you think that tweet (which I personally disagree with) makes him a "problematic shithead," you have deep issues.
Jesus, we really love trying to tear good people down the moment they do anything even remotely disagreeable. It's disturbing.
I wonder if any employee at the show tried to explain to her during rehearsal or something. Her addressing it on the show made things worse lol. I think two celebs have jumped to her defense at least. I'm assuming Ellen was recession proof too, probably didn't even know it happened.
I understand. It definitely doesn't make Liberals bad people. I'm just not so crazy about passing around the word "allies" at this point in time (nor do I give myself that title when advocating for others). There's just a terrible level of understanding across the country when it comes to this stuff, it can be frustrating when you're this outnumbered and have no chance at guiding the national narrative. I hope he can at least recognize why people took umbrage.
I probably am with the comparison. Sorry it's just been a frustrating news week! My point was, it's a standing issue. He and so many others who aren't Black should have chilled out, out of respect for us in general since we were all affected by this case indirectly. I'm not religious at all, I'm not mad at Brandt and just found the circumstances sad as hell.
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Yeah I don't disagree that it was a dumb statement, but my original post was in response to a guy who called him a problematic shithead. Tone deaf in one instance is a far cry from that.
No, they are not right. Stop giving the right wing credibility over liberals, please.
Your friend George W. Bush sure as fuck isn't kind to everyone, Ellen. He is responsible for the deaths of thousands of innocent civilians. How can you call someone like that kind? He's also against LGBTQ+ rights. You yourself are a lesbian. How dare you preach about such fundamental differences in morality as opinions equivalent to wearing fur?
Everyone has been saying she's fake for so fucking long and I'd gone to bat for her before but after this, no, everyone was always right and I was a fool for thinking otherwise.
Everyone has been saying she's fake for so fucking long and I'd gone to bat for her before but after this, no, everyone was always right and I was a fool for thinking otherwise.
What's this video supposed to be of?
The crap I had to deal with today.
We have reached an era where telling people to be kind to each other is considered terrible, spat on, vilified, and turned into something horrible. Let that sink in for a moment.
Somebody meme'd this speech already, basically:
And now the kind of insipid right-wingers who wish people would just stop making them feel guilty about everything are sharing it around so that they can act like the people who care are the aggressors.
Torture and murder aren't political beliefs.
You know, if minorities would just hug nazis, the world would be a better place. They are only racist because they don't get enough hugs and nobody buys them an ice cream at the big game when they forget their wallet.
Are we talking about the same tweet here? Did he go on a separate rant about this, or was it just the tweet where he said "this is great"?
Stop being disingenuous, you know the issue runs deeper than that.
This is great.
He didn't need to go on a rant. By the time he tweeted that, every mention of this story was filled with black outrage. When you see that black people are having a contentious dialogue over this ruling and the forgiveness society always expects black people to have in spades for racist white women, nobody needs to know that you think this is one of the most beautiful things you ever saw.
Like, Black people jumped on Chris Evans over that for a reason.
Hopefully he learned from it, but this feels like something easily forgivable, especially for someone who's probably very empathetic to why this was a problem.
This is not new. In fact Americans are being a lot nicer than the people of France, Germany and Norway were to the quislings after the war.
If told myself back in 2004 that liberals would rewrite GWB into a goofy uncle with silly opinions I wouldn't believe it.
2004 is when St. Reagan died and liberals were waxing his balls then, so not much of a stretch that the same would happen to Dubya's fool ass.
And it's mostly the same group leading the charge - wealthy boomers who always dream to the "good ol days", which constantly changes because the Repubs have been driving off the insane cliff for the past 40 years and shifting the overton window to fascism.
So how many mass murderers of Muslims are you friends with? Just a difference in opinion. 🤷♂️
"Doesn't agree with every single political belief" and "differing opinions" is such a massive understatement for someone that directly caused the death and sufferings of millions of people.
I mean holy shit, I don't think "massive" it's not even the right word, it's more of a like, a solar system level of understatement.
Been having good hugging-&-palling-it-out-even-though-we-have-our-disagreements sessions w/George ZImmerman, Daniel Pantaleo, Patrick Crusius and co lately? They all just need a hug & a pal, right?
We have reached an era where mass-murderers and war-profiteers should be given hugs and kisses all in the name of "civility"
Let that sink in for a moment.
I don't get the shock or surprise about Ellen being friendly with bush. When have we as Americans disowned or banished our leaders for their terrible deeds? Hillary bragged about Kissinger, Joe bragged about working with segregationist and people have already posted pictures of the cozy Bush and Obama relationship. I just don't believe that most Americans are comfortable viewing ourselves as the bad guy in the story. Many people disagree with various governmental decisions like starting the Iraq war or raining drones strikes on people but that doesn't mean they view those actions as war crimes. I think most of us sleep a lot better when we only think of those as bad decisions or lapses of judgment.
Ellen has the misfortune of being a talking head with a camera in her face forced to play out our collective delusion in for the world to see.
Ellen has the misfortune of being a talking head with a camera in her face forced to play out our collective delusion in for the world to see.
It works if "God" is code for "my billionaire doners who I am indebted to...
For strawmanning the issue and refusing to engage in any nuance, you are hereby sentenced to kiss Hitler on the lips.
Yeah but this isn't a case of being kind to someone who swore at you because they might be having a bad day. This is someone who has done some really bad things. There's a line and I guess for Ellen, George Bush hasn't yet crossed that line which is surprising.