LEGO ERA |OT| Rebuilding One Brick at a Time.

[sAbobo]

I mean if it crosses multiple bricks surely that's not strictly cost-based.

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It's cost based, sorry if you don't like that answer. There have been pieces printed on separate bricks to combine during builds. Lego has also done full printing on the variety of old baseplates that were the most complicated things they did in some respects. It's possible to do anything Lego wants, it's just not worth it to do so to them

 

[AgeEighty]

It's cost based, sorry if you don't like that answer. There have been pieces printed on separate bricks to combine during builds. Lego has also done full printing on the variety of old baseplates that were the most complicated things they did in some respects. It's possible to do anything Lego wants, it's just not worth it to do so to them

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It's not about liking or not liking the answer; I just want to know if there's logic/a source behind that.

 

[Bufbaf]

Didnt Lego's Instagram tease Helms Deep?

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Did it? I'm not sure how to feel about that :D Can't really think of anything a Helm's set could do that the playset couldn't.

 

[Bufbaf]

I mean if it crosses multiple bricks surely that's not strictly cost-based.

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none of Legos stickers cross multiple bricks. That's a super duper rare exception, if if ever even happened. Reminding you of Gringot Tsbank.

It's 100% cost related. There's plenty of altbricks doing prints over tons of single bricks, Bluebrixx's Star Trek stuff comes to mind.

 

[AgeEighty]

none of Legos stickers cross multiple bricks. That's a super duper rare exception, if if ever even happened.

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I've definitely seen it, though I may be largely thinking of an older set and it's something they no longer do.

 

[sAbobo]

none of Legos stickers cross multiple bricks. That's a super duper rare exception, if if ever even happened. Reminding you of Gringot Tsbank.

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STAMP, stickers across multiple pieces was a thing. Wildwest sets had em, 10241 had em, a few other city sets as well. Phased out 10 years ago. The 2x4 tile wasn't a thing at one time after all. https://www.eurobricks.com/forum/in...77380-stamps-stickers-across-multiple-pieces/

 

[MikeProtagonist]

I was looking at the Brickset article on that topic, and there's not an official answer but it probably comes down to logistics. With as many sets they keep producing over a long period of time, they need to be able to store thousands of unique pieces, and do this across multiple locations. They can't just decide "oh, right now we're doing an extra 10.000 parts so we can print everything this year", there's just not room for that. At least not in all factory locations, and all factories need to produce the same sets unless they want a ton of shipping costs (and destroy the environment a bit more).

On topic of LotR sets, I'm taking down my old sets that made me return to Lego. While I have some nostalgia, it doesn't really make sense to have sets that sit dusty in the lowest shelves that I barely look at, when aftermarket values are so ridiculous, and when I actually have most of the figures in Rivendell. Currently I have bids for 17 orcs and uruk for around $200, several named characters for $20+ each, and the Fellowship for $100. Theoretically my Helm's Deep could fetch $400 plus $150 for the expansion, and Bag End plus the other dwarves is like $350+. Even after I've removed a couple of figures from the Moria set I can probably get a bunch for the troll and orcs there. That will pay for at least one or two huge LotR sets once and if Lego makes them.

 

[AgeEighty]

I was looking at the Brickset article on that topic, and there's not an official answer but it probably comes down to logistics. With as many sets they keep producing over a long period of time, they need to be able to store thousands of unique pieces, and do this across multiple locations. They can't just decide "oh, right now we're doing an extra 10.000 parts so we can print everything this year", there's just not room for that. At least not in all factory locations, and all factories need to produce the same sets unless they want a ton of shipping costs (and destroy the environment a bit more).

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That makes sense, thanks. I'm sure cost is a factor as well, though I don't actually know how the costs compare between the two.

 

[sAbobo]

That makes sense, thanks. I'm sure cost is a factor as well, though I don't actually know how the costs compare between the two.

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Logistics = cost in this instance. Money spent solves logistics issues. The fact you leapt for the first answer that wasn't cost directly is something you should think about.

 

[AgeEighty]

Logistics = costs. Money spent solves logistics issues. The fact you leapt for the first answer that wasn't cost directly is something you should think about.

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What I gravitated to was an answer that made sense, was explained logically, and was sourced. The fact that you're trying to cast aspersions on me for not responding well to your "Here's the shortest most cynical answer; I have nothing to back it up but it's true because I said so, now shut up" response is something you should think about.

 

[sAbobo]

Sure thing, that's why you tried to poke a hole in that right away. It's been discussed in this thread multiple times and by many people, one even in the same chain of comments. Long post answer doesn't mean it's any more correct than short and sweet. You were looking for the answer you wanted that wasn't cost. Don't try to deflect it back on me. Either way, you aren't worth further discussion.

 

[Hello Snake]

I wanted to order the midi Executor before its end of 2024 retirement, but I wanted to wait until there was a good bonus on lego store. This alien diner doesn't really appeal to me, but it seems like a decent value for free. I got nervous that there wouldn't be another bonus as good by end of the year, so I did my order now.

Also added on to it some pick a bricks for the first time, to reach the GWP threshold. I'm going to make some white figure stands and a grogu pram, and change some colors on my N-1 starfighters from dark yellow to bright yellow.

 

[AgeEighty]

Sure thing, that's why you tried to poke a hole in that right away. It's been discussed in this thread multiple times and by many people, one even in the same chain of comments. Long post answer doesn't mean it's any more correct than short and sweet. You were looking for the answer you wanted that wasn't cost. Don't try to deflect it back on me. Either way, you aren't worth further discussion.

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You gave a poor explanation that you still haven't actually backed up in any way, and then you got snotty about it for no reason when I wanted you to elaborate. The other explanation is better supported than yours. It's as simple as that. If you're going to take it so personally, do better next time.

 

[MikeProtagonist]

Obviously logistics = cost because everything can be solved with money. It's just that it's not necessarily a question of "X part would cost 0,001 penny to produce so Lego decided to cut corners to save 100 dollars on this particular part", but possibly "doing this would require a 200M dollar investment in each of the factories worldwide and oh, there isn't physically room at the factory in Hungary so we'd have to spend 1B dollars moving the whole thing across country".

 

[Bufbaf]

Obviously logistics = cost because everything can be solved with money. It's just that it's not necessarily a question of "X part would cost 0,001 penny to produce so Lego decided to cut corners to save 100 dollars on this particular part", but possibly "doing this would require a 200M dollar investment in each of the factories worldwide and oh, there isn't physically room at the factory in Hungary so we'd have to spend 1B dollars moving the whole thing across country".

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So why didn't Lego have issues in the years before the last ~10 years when it comes to printed pieces, why is printing with 20$ sets no issue, but suddenly a near impossible billion gazillion dollar investment for a $400+ set?

Of course printing is more costly, but we're talking cent amounts here. And I don't believe logistics play such a huge role in it, when a) Lego is one of the biggest companies on the planet, doing logistics for decades, b) there's no difference in logistics for different pieces, regardless of print or sticker, c) all other companies can do printing just fine, with a much better quantity and quality.

Yes, logistics do likely play a role in the big picture, of course it does. But I can't take it as a valid reason for why, for example, the 460$ collector adult set (just let that price actually sink in for a second) has a shitton of stickers, while some basic Lego city 4+ sets do not.
Lego wants to save money, while selling for the biggest possible price the customer accepts. This includes printing tech, color costs, amount of pad-printed layers (see: anything on red/blue/green), logistics, print quality control (see r2d2 crooked head prints everywhere), it affects brick quality (broken brown bricks), it affects cast moulds, it affects packaging quality, even packaging and instruction designs, it's clearly visible everywhere. To say "yeah it's solely like this because Lego needs to store parts!" is ridiculous imo.

 

[MrKlaw]

10 years ago they had no issues with massive stickers going over half the set and multiple pieces. They just put pieces in a few huge bags and let you sort them out. Things change. They now do single piece stickers only, they don't do stickers on dual axis curves, their bags are smaller to make building a little simpler/more accessible.

 

[MikeProtagonist]

So why didn't Lego have issues in the years before the last ~10 years when it comes to printed pieces, why is printing with 20$ sets no issue, but suddenly a near impossible billion gazillion dollar investment for a $400+ set?

Of course printing is more costly, but we're talking cent amounts here. And I don't believe logistics play such a huge role in it, when a) Lego is one of the biggest companies on the planet, doing logistics for decades, b) there's no difference in logistics for different pieces, regardless of print or sticker, c) all other companies can do printing just fine, with a much better quantity and quality.

Yes, logistics do likely play a role in the big picture, of course it does. But I can't take it as a valid reason for why, for example, the 460$ collector adult set (just let that price actually sink in for a second) has a shitton of stickers, while some basic Lego city 4+ sets do not.
Lego wants to save money, while selling for the biggest possible price the customer accepts. This includes printing tech, color costs, amount of pad-printed layers (see: anything on red/blue/green), logistics, print quality control (see r2d2 crooked head prints everywhere), it affects brick quality (broken brown bricks), it affects cast moulds, it affects packaging quality, even packaging and instruction designs, it's clearly visible everywhere. To say "yeah it's solely like this because Lego needs to store parts!" is ridiculous imo.

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They've never produced as many different sets and different parts at any given time as before.

Also, the difference between a $20 set and a $400 set should be obvious. They'll be making many, many more times the amount of the $20 set so they'll have many more of those parts being made, so the costs of setting up the print will be subsidized across many more parts, and they may be storing a full bin instead of just a handful of parts (I have no idea if they already have different sized bins within this system, which they probably have but also introduces additional complexity). And the $20 set will be made primarily from readily existing and reusable parts since it's part of a theme, while the $400 set will have unique sculpts and maybe licensed parts that will already be taking up those slots (for unique colours and/or prints). Designers have publically stated that there are internal budgets for how many slots a theme can use, probably based on storage space.

You can argue that Lego should raise that budget, but that depends entirely on if it's practically possible, not just on whether they can afford it. And even Lego can't afford spending more on production than they actually get paid for the sets. They did that in the late 90's/early 00's and nearly went bankrupt, so I'd imagine they keep pretty close tabs on that now.

And yes, they obviously want to reduce costs and make as much money as possible, but for this specific issue of "why are they using stickers?", it's not the only reason.

 

[sAbobo]

The fact is Lego can and does things that are 100% anti-consumer, only to cut costs, only to make more profit. That some fools consider that impossible or a poor explanation, is why Lego gets away with claiming solved issues are not solved, and that failing to live up "to nothing but the best", isn't a problem. Calling a spade a spade is what it is, and many companies have caught up or surpassed Lego in quality. We get it, Lego has given you warm and fuzzies, I wouldn't have over a quarter million bricks if they didn't/haven't, but the mental gymnastics certain people do to ignore the obvious is really quite concerning. Medieval Town square had "people" arguing that said towns wouldn't have more animals or that adding more animals would have decreased the value of set, or shot the prices up $20 per animal, which finally caused me to give up a moderation position and leave communities because it boiled down to "no complaints, only consume." Ignoring Information that doesn't suit your views, claiming other explanations made more sense to you, is a sign of serious issues and confirmation bias. No explanation will satisfy people who don't want to accept how things are.

Edit: nobody is forcing Lego to make as many sets as they do now. Using that excuse as a reason why they can't do something is ignoring that it's still 100% a Lego cost decision.

 

[AgeEighty]

They've never produced as many different sets and different parts at any given time as before.

Also, the difference between a $20 set and a $400 set should be obvious. They'll be making many, many more times the amount of the $20 set so they'll have many more of those parts being made, so the costs of setting up the print will be subsidized across many more parts, and they may be storing a full bin instead of just a handful of parts (I have no idea if they already have different sized bins within this system, which they probably have but also introduces additional complexity). And the $20 set will be made primarily from readily existing and reusable parts since it's part of a theme, while the $400 set will have unique sculpts and maybe licensed parts that will already be taking up those slots (for unique colours and/or prints). Designers have publically stated that there are internal budgets for how many slots a theme can use, probably based on storage space.

You can argue that Lego should raise that budget, but that depends entirely on if it's practically possible, not just on whether they can afford it. And even Lego can't afford spending more on production than they actually get paid for the sets. They did that in the late 90's/early 00's and nearly went bankrupt, so I'd imagine they keep pretty close tabs on that now.

And yes, they obviously want to reduce costs and make as much money as possible, but for this specific issue of "why are they using stickers?", it's not the only reason.

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Yes, in my experience with corporate manufacturing these issues are absolutely what these things usually boil down to. There are a thousand moving parts involved with each such decision and if we could peer into Lego's design docs I'm sure we'd see dozens or hundreds of crisscrossing decisions and revisions that address a number of factors: how does this affect the projected ROI, does our factory have the tooling to produce what we're talking about, would we need to reconfigure some area of production to achieve it and how would that affect other products, what are the sourcing and distribution logistics involved, etc. Of course everything comes down to money in the end, but "they just want to screw people" is one of those facile layperson narratives that rarely encompass the reality of how these decisions are made.

Besides: if stickers were explicitly cheaper and they only wanted to be cheap and anti-consumer, and there were literally no other reasons, they would print far fewer pieces than they do.

 

[sAbobo]

Pointless barbs and made up quotes while ignoring the point. Ignore list it is. Sad. Especially with having spoken to former employees in a regular basis.

 

[Hello Snake]

This thread turned into a war zone or something.

 

[apathetic]

So then. Any idea when the next 2x points event will be?

 

[sergechewbacca]

So then. Any idea when the next 2x points event will be?

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I think there's one in the 1st or 2nd week of June.

 

[Peek-a-boo!]

Medieval Town square had "people" arguing that said towns wouldn't have more animals or that adding more animals would have decreased the value of set, or shot the prices up $20 per animal, which finally caused me to give up a moderation position and leave communities because it boiled down to "no complaints, only consume."

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I stumbled upon rubbish like this in the comments section on various LEGO websites.

I don't know how you can say it is more realistic to have fewer animals, when the original Medieval Market set had half a dozen (farm) animals, birds and rodents.

A shame you left some LEGO communities because people say the daftest things ... 😕

I no longer buy big expensive sets that includes stickers — the likes of the Pirates of Barracuda Bay, Medieval Blacksmith and Tree House have zero stickers, and each one of these sets are between £149 to £199 so, why are we seeing an increase in £300, £400 or £500 sets coming with a large sticker sheet?

This thread turned into a war zone or something.

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LEGO is s e r i o u s business, you know!

So then. Any idea when the next 2x points event will be?

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In June sometime.

 

[sAbobo]

I stumbled upon rubbish like this in the comments section on various LEGO websites.

I don't know how you can say it is more realistic to have fewer animals, when the original Medieval Market set had half a dozen (farm) animals, birds and rodents.

A shame you left some LEGO communities because people say the daftest things ... 😕

I no longer buy big expensive sets that includes stickers — the likes of the Pirates of Barracuda Bay, Medieval Blacksmith and Tree House have zero stickers, and each one of these sets are between £149 to £199 so, why are we seeing an increase in £300, £400 or £500 sets coming with a large sticker sheet?



LEGO is s e r i o u s business, you know!



In June sometime.

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It just reached a point where I just had to accept that that community and my viewpoints no longer overlapped.

They are certain sets that Lego will mark as closer to loss leaders like those sets, or the recent Viking village, where Lego will drop costs or go all out knowing they can use them as a lure to get more people (back)into the Lego system. They don't hire addiction specialists to help their own employees after all. Cynical, yes, true, also yes, anti-consumer, not in this instance, but sure is pro Lego in the long run if they get people feeling the itch to continue, where they then accept lesser products.

 

[AgeEighty]

Pointless barbs and made up quotes while ignoring the point. Ignore list it is. Sad. Especially with having spoken to former employees in a regular basis.

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Yeah there are no "barbs" there at all. You really need to take a step back and evaluate why this discussion is something you take so personally.

This thread turned into a war zone or something.

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It's really bizarre. All I did was ask for an elaboration/source for an answer to a question and then thank the person who gave one.

Moving on, I think I'm reaching the point where I'm going to have to put any more larger set purchases on hold until I figure out some new arrangement with the room where I keep this stuff. I already have a number of sets that are too wide or tall to fit on bookshelves, and I have an urgent need for some stands/tables to put those things on, ones I don't have. Barad-dur is out of the question for the time being, and Helm's Deep, if they do it justice, is right out.

 

[Fumoffu]

Moving on, I think I'm reaching the point where I'm going to have to put any more larger set purchases on hold until I figure out some new arrangement with the room where I keep this stuff. I already have a number of sets that are too wide or tall to fit on bookshelves, and I have an urgent need for some stands/tables to put those things on, ones I don't have. Barad-dur is out of the question for the time being, and Helm's Deep, if they do it justice, is right out.

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I'm in a similar situation, I've limited myself to two glass display cabinets and a small table. I've had to break-down sets and put in storage or sell some off to make room. I've found buying some acrylic display cases have really helped, they sit above the cabinets and go one recently custom-made to fit the Lion Knights Castle, the upcoming Mountain Fortress and some room for a MOC in-between, might be worth considering.

 

[swsp]

I think there's one in the 1st or 2nd week of June.

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In June sometime.

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Rivendell will be ours!

 

[sAbobo]

Thanks for all those messages and support from the people wondering what that guy's problem was. You are all appreciated, though I don't need anymore updates, as well intentioned as they may be. Some Lego people are just not well adjusted. I'm not going anywhere.

The rose set was quite enjoyable. Made me realize I have too many pots and not enough vases, especially since I still have three more flower sets to build after lucking out on 80% off clearance. Some will be repurposed for the mountain that I've started working on again. And never hurts to build up pirate hat supply. A large tree branch coming down and jostling things mean there is quite a bit of cleanup and rebuild on the pirate board before I start on new stuff.

 

[cabelhigh]

Some Lego people are just not well adjusted.

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The lack of self awareness here is staggering. Why are you being so aggressive? None of us know what is actually going on, because none of us actually work for Lego. This is all speculation.

Also calling people 'not well adjusted' because they disagree with you on an online forum on a topic that none of us have the actual answer to is...interesting....

Unrelated, but gd that baby dino is so cute, i dont even go for dinsoaurs but I want him for my desk

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The least LEGO thing I love about LEGO, are LEGO dinosaurs and the latest LEGO Jurassic Wave of products is blessed with 2 amazing new moulds, a LEGO Stegosa...

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[sAbobo]

The lack of self awareness here is staggering. Why are you being so aggressive? None of us know what is actually going on, because none of us actually work for Lego. This is all speculation.

Also calling people 'not well adjusted' because they disagree with you on an online forum on a topic that none of us have the actual answer to is...interesting...

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I talk to former Lego employees on a regular basis in former moderation position and current employees who pass along leaks, who have told me that this exactly what they were told? But one non-sourced article on a different site holds more weight? Pointing out parasocial relationships with corporations that aren't your friends so they reject the answers that multiple people have mentioned many times in here? Feels like I'm on Lego YouTube comment sections here.
Shrug, believe what you want to then, just pointing out rejecting info you don't want to believe is not the basis of being well adjusted

 

[cabelhigh]

I talk to former Lego employees on a regular basis in former moderation position and current employees who pass along leaks, who have told me that this exactly what they were told? Pointing out parasocial relationships with corporations that aren't your friends so they reject the answers that multiple people have mentioned many times in here? Feels like I'm on Lego YouTube comment sections here

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Hmm, should I believe an anonymous forum poster trying to make a point, or a former Lego employee? Like, I understand you might have insider info, but its not a PaRaSoCiAl relationship if people are skeptical of what youre posting, especially if youre acting agressive about it

Obviously Lego wants more money. Obviously theyre a capitalistic enterprise. I dont think anyone's arguing that

 

[sAbobo]

Hmm, should I believe an anonymous forum poster trying to make a point, or a former Lego employee? Like, I understand you might have insider info, but its not a PaRaSoCiAl relationship if people are skeptical of what youre posting, especially if youre acting agressive about it

Obviously Lego wants more money. Obviously theyre a capitalistic enterprise. I dont think anyone's arguing that

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Sure fine, I sell on rebrickable, moderated 3 different forums for over 12 years and stepped down to one currently, have passed along leaks well before they pop up elsewhere and have backed that up, and because I don't out my name out there because I don't want to deal with the backlash that not being a Lego purists and using altbricks, because of how people love to brigade, that matters not at all? Like I said, believe what you want to then at this point, i really don't feel I need to prove myself further to people who reject proof I've given in the past.

 

[horkrux]

So much discussion over something that amounts to "it costs money" lol
Even if you argue oh no it's too much to store all those pieces..

..well that's money. They don't want to spend it. And if we get stickers in our 500€ set, then that's because they figured we buy everything anyway. But I somehow doubt former employees would write nice articles like that about how the company thinks certain target demographics are stupid lol

 

[Megasoum]

lol some people in here are fucking psychos

 

[AgeEighty]

I talk to former Lego employees on a regular basis in former moderation position and current employees who pass along leaks, who have told me that this exactly what they were told? But one non-sourced article on a different site holds more weight? Pointing out parasocial relationships with corporations that aren't your friends so they reject the answers that multiple people have mentioned many times in here? Feels like I'm on Lego YouTube comment sections here.
Shrug, believe what you want to then, just pointing out rejecting info you don't want to believe is not the basis of being well adjusted

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You're acting like everybody should be intimately familiar with who you are and your "credentials". But how should all of us know any of that? By default, you are an anonymous internet poster.

And instead of making any attempt to back up your sniffily dismissive original reply, you just immediately got aggressive at me about asking questions. And now here you are still passive aggressively taking swipes at me after the exchange was supposed to have ended and you claim to have put me on ignore. For doing what? Not immediately treating your word as gospel with no explanation? Ridiculous.

Like the other person said, you need more self-awareness, because you have no room to call anyone else's "well adjustedness" into question. Good lord.

 

[sAbobo]

Once again, trying to move on from the nonsense.
3 in 1 castle in Amazon for $15 off, good price if anybody's on the fence before it rolls closer to retirement.
Getting two 2 of funwhole's medieval market for $80 from a friend. Love Funwhole. Lights, solid bricks, interesting designs and packaging that brings back the feel of the old themed sets. Pretty sure no stickers either, which is always great.

 

[AgeEighty]

A minor project I've decided to undertake recently is to attempt to rebuild some of my classic Space sets for the first time in 35-ish years. They've been mixed in a giant tub (along with a bunch of pieces from Town sets) for at least that long.

I'm trying to use all the same original pieces as much as I can. There are some I definitely won't be able to rebuild as the pieces were broken and/or lost long ago (those window frames from 6985 Cosmic Fleet Voyager did not withstand being trampled for very long), but I started with one of the smaller sets I had and managed to locate everything (pardon the dust and dirt; I didn't clean the pieces and just wanted to see if I could do it):

The blue astronaut is long gone unfortunately, but I may try to pick one up second hand. Going to attempt one of the bigger ones next, but I expect that I will likely end up with stuff missing.

 

[ruxtpin]

Alright y'all, any advice for putting these stickers on my expensive Lego set?

 

[Hello Snake]

Alright y'all, any advice for putting these stickers on my expensive Lego set?

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I learned the soapy water method from youtube and I use that, some people use windex instead but I haven't tried it. These methods temporarily block the adhesive and let you adjust the sticker after you apply it.

 

[Bufbaf]

Hi from me and the crew + 2 cats having a day of sorting my old big box of Lego lol

Bonus: does anyone know which minifig this yellow shoulder thing belongs to=?

Bonus bonus:

"Sir, I get the part about him handing you a suspicious package, but I'm not yet sure about what happened next"

 

[sAbobo]

Hi from me and the crew + 2 cats having a day of sorting my old big box of Lego lol

Bonus: does anyone know which minifig this yellow shoulder thing belongs to=?

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That one imperial solder based off the backpack and shako, along with another pirate fig, in the bag makes me think there's that you have a copy of pi065 mixed in somewhere that that epaulette belongs to. Pi064 or pi063 makes sense as well based off that one soldier pi061(a) who should have a red epaulette and white legs instead of blue. If you had only had one Lego pirate set Rock island refuge would explain the pieces I see the easiest, otherwise a mix of two smaller pirate sets.

 

[apathetic]

Bonus: does anyone know which minifig this yellow shoulder thing belongs to=?

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An old pirate set? Think they did yellow and then blue for 2 different "factions" in the old sea/pirate things. Think I got a couple of gold and red ones from Barracuda Bay and Eldorado Fortress but no yellow.

 

[MrKlaw]

the new astronauts in the alien diner are too 'toothy' - I need old heads like those to swap out.

 

[Dwebble]

View: https://youtu.be/LGCikkEtN-s?si=4BmiFeiT_l6nQqi0
Well, that's an insta-buy. Look at that build!

 

[sAbobo]

Went back to my Lion knights castle Moc while waiting for the titanic, five sets of 10305, and three set of 31120. I'm going to get such a crash course on making wedge plates play nice with each other. Not excited for it...